Yet despite the incredible popularity of Rick Warren and others like him, there are numerous problems with the churchgrowth movement, starting with its history.
然而，尽管华理克此类人等极为受追捧，但是这种教会增长运动，从它的历史起源就有很多问题。
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The first pastor to 'make it big' using modern churchgrowth techniques was Robert Schuller.
第一个使用现代教会增长技巧使“教会壮大”的牧师是罗伯特。舒勒（水晶大教堂）。
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You pray for your church, you ask for growth, but more and more members are leaving.