Third, the commercial estates. Fourth, the old downtown areatransformation.
第三，商业地产，第四，旧城区改造。
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One major areatransformation work is the building of transformations to MathML from TeX, the mathematical typesetting system developed by Donald Knuth.
Like there's a lot of learning and knowledge that they need to understand how Agile works and organizational transformation is a completely other area, right?